Topic: SMF Udate 2.0.13 is out

[Skhilled]

At least, I HOPE I did! LMAO

[Maxx (OP)]

This is what I found on the SMF site: the last "quote"

Quote from: Shambles on Yesterday at 04:05:32 PM

    Nothing appears in my Admin area and no patch appears on the patches page.

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    Please do not use this topic for support requests.
    You will receive a much quicker and better response by posting in the 2.0.x Support Board or the Install and Upgrade Help board.

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    If you do not see the notification about the upgrade patch, please run the scheduled task "Fetch Simple Machines files" from the Scheduled Tasks page (Admin > Maintenance > Scheduled Tasks > Fetch Simple Machines Files (check the "Run Now" checkbox and click the "Run Now" button)).




The patch file link should appear on the cust site shortly.

[Skhilled]

Yes, I figured out how to get the link in the admin shortly after you first started this topic but that does not help the db upgrade issue.

[Skhilled]

I looked in the DB. In the "smf_settings" table "smfVersion" is still "2.0.12" when the forum has been upgraded either by the admin link or uploading the files.

EDIT: In the first two test sites that failed to upgrade the DB, the "smf_settings" table "smfVersion" is still "2.0.12". In the 3rd test site that worked, the "smf_settings" table "smfVersion" was changed to "2.0.13".

[Mick]

Just updated all my sites again tonight, the first 2.0.13 patch they released was dodgy. http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=551094.0  I had the same problem.

Something is wrong here on this site too, because if I try to test the table bbcode from that post I just linked to, it comes up with a blank post.   

[Skhilled]

This site has not been updated to 2.0.13 yet. so, maybe that is a bug prior to the new version.

I believe I got that latest but will download it again and retest on a brand new install just in case.

[Ken]

So we need this 2.0.13 version installed?

[Skhilled]

Well, it supposedly fixes a few bugs but me thinks it still has a bug. LOL

So far, I didn't see any other problems than the db and tables issue but I'm sure there may be another post or 20 in the coming days. LOL

[Mick]

This site has not been updated to 2.0.13 yet. so, maybe that is a bug prior to the new version.

I believe I got that latest but will download it again and retest on a brand new install just in case.

Yeah, sorry Steve I should have looked at the version at bottom of page. then I would have realised I was making a fool of myself. lol..  I had downloaded the dud file, and updated all my sites with it yesterday.  Just redone them tonight, all seems well.

[Mick]

Well, it supposedly fixes a few bugs but me thinks it still has a bug. LOL

So far, I didn't see any other problems than the db and tables issue but I'm sure there may be another post or 20 in the coming days. LOL

What bugs are you seeing with 2.0.13 ?

[Skhilled]

The db upgrade issue I've been posting about all through this topic and the table issue you spoke of. There was also the issue of it not showing in the admin but that has been sorted out now.

[Mick]

The db upgrade issue I've been posting about all through this topic and the table issue you spoke of. There was also the issue of it not showing in the admin but that has been sorted out now.

Do you need to upgrade the database for some reason?

[Skhilled]

The db and the files should both be upgraded. Some mods will check the version and will give an error stating this:

"Note: It appears that your database may require an upgrade. Your forum's files are currently at version SMF 2.0.2, while your database is at version 2.0. The above error might possibly go away if you execute the latest version of upgrade.php." - or whatever the versions you are using are. The mod will not install properly. There may be other issues with this but I'm not sure.

Why use updated file but not the db when the db holds all of the important information? Without it, you have nothing. This has been an issue with SMF since the start of smf 1.1. Unknown has pointed this out and provided that fix to me back then. To this day, users still have that issue which shows that error unless you upgrade the db to the current version. Whenever I upgrade either via the admin or upload I always upgrade the db. SMF is riddled with topics about people not being able to upgrade cause of outdated smf tables that they must manually remove via phpmyadmin before upgrading their forums successfully. Been there before and not going back. LOL

[Mick]

"Note: It appears that your database may require an upgrade"

That error can usually be ignored, the database has not had any updates/changes since SMF 2.0 was released. database version shouldn't effect anything tbh.

[Skhilled]

Why ignore an error when you can fix it? At the very least it will cut down on support for SMF. Why even add the upgrade files when they are unusable/broken? Does any of that even make any sense?

EDIT: If you do support or run a support site or software then you should fix a problem as it arises. If you can't fix the problem that's understandable. But to just ignore problems that can be easily fixed is a slap in the face of the users. It is also the exact opposite of support. How can you expect to keep users if you ignore problems? TP is very dependent on how well SMF does. If people leave SMF, TP loses users. SMF has already lost too many users for that very reason...lack of good support. Same goes for TP.

The whole idea of support is not to keep creating more support or to keep the same issues ongoing but to solve them. Less support time leaves more time for other things like actually working on the software you are supporting....having more time to make it even better. You can't do that if most of your time is going toward support issues that are ignored. When new users see the many support topics that are ignored will they even want to use it? Will the current users who see this want to continue to use it?

Just because something does not affect you personally does not mean it should be ignored.